SPECIAL TEAMS COORDINATOR CHRIS HORTON
Opening Statement: "It's good to see everyone. Just thinking about the practice from yesterday [at the stadium], I thought our specialists came out and did a phenomenal job of just getting out there, all being on the same page and just making kicks. I thought the punt period we had before was really good with all of our young guys just getting those game-like reps in the pads, and we're just getting ourselves ready for the practice [against the Colts] tomorrow, and we're looking forward to going [to] play this game. I know our young guys are excited. I'm excited about all the work we've been putting in from this spring and to just get out there and get ourselves going."
Do you expect WR LaJohntay Wester to take a majority of the punt return reps during the preseason or will you rotate guys in? (Jamison Hensley) "I think it's just really going to depend on how the game's going. I want to get as many guys [reps] as I can, but I want to make sure that LaJohntay [Wester] gets a good amount of reps. I want to get Anthony Miller back there. I want to get 'D-Wade' [Dayton Wade] back there, and I want to give all these guys an opportunity to showcase their skills, and they've all been working very hard out in the practices, so I think you'll probably see all those guys back there at some point."
How hard is it to get a feel for a rookie returner when you don't necessarily get a lot of full action reps in practice? (Childs Walker) "It's not that it's hard. I think one of the things we look for, again, is catching the ball. Because they've all got a punt return skillset. They all are very good after the catch, and you can see that from when they get the passes caught on offense. How they put their foot in the ground and then get vertical. I think, for me, and for our special teams coaches, what we want to see is our guys cleanly fielding the ball, and then when we get into the game, it's 'Go Time,' and then the skillsets will come to life with all 11 guys."
I see a little bit of differentiation between the JUGS machine and a live foot. Has there ever been a thought about bringing somebody under just to kick? (Ken McKusick) "When those opportunities come up, we do bring in another guy. But, the difference between the JUGS and the live foot – obviously the live foot, the ball turning over, coming down as fast as it can – it's a lot different than the JUGS. So, we work different things. When we've got the JUGS, we're just trying to shoot the ball as high as we can and make it a timing thing, because that ball will hang up there a little bit longer, and it might not necessarily turn over, so now the ball's falling down to the right or falling down to the left. Whereas, when you're on the live foot, the ball's turning over and it's going down to the spot. So, we're looking for a couple different things versus a live punter versus the JUGS."
How important are these preseason games for K Tyler Loop? (Ryan Mink) "It's very important, right? Because we all know that the games are what matters. Making kicks in the games [matters]. But Tyler [Loop], from the day he walked in, [senior special teams coach] Randy [Brown] has just taken him and broken down step-by-step-by-step what we're looking for. And, obviously, leg strength is not going to be an issue with Tyler. He can boom it. It's about just being consistent, and he's done a great job of that throughout this camp. You guys saw it yesterday. He was phenomenal out there just kicking the ball, and he was dialed in, he was locked in. If [he] takes that same focus to the game, he's going to be fine."
What are some of the adjustments you've seen from Tyler to get more consistent from OTAs until now? (Kyle Goon) "I think the approach to what the guys have been working on Field Three has been mainly, 'OK, where's our plant foot? Am I too tight? Am I too wide?' It's getting a consistent plant foot and then getting consistent foot-to-ball. Once you get that, and the ball is going straight, the ball is going to be going between the uprights all the time. So, I've seen a lot of change in that, and that's something that they work on every day."
What has been the advantage of using a GoPro with the kickers? (Giana Han) "The GoPro gives you a close-up look of foot-to-ball. You see where your foot actually is on the ball when you're hitting it. Did my toe wrap around the ball? Well, that might change the trajectory of the ball. So, that's one of the things that you don't get to see on the coaches' cam. So, the closer we are foot-to-ball, where's the plant? All those things are very crystal clear, and [senior special teams coach] Randy [Brown] is with him every day, saying, "Hey, this was too wide, this was too tight. Let's get it here.' Those things make a difference."
Is it more important for a younger kicker to a GoPro more often to review their form more closely? (Kyle Goon) "Yes, I think you get the same out of it. Again, it's a more detailed approach to what you're getting. If you're not consistent with your plant foot and foot-to-ball, then OK, let's take a closer look at it. Justin [Tucker], with experience, it was there. He was always in the right spot. So, I think it's one of those things. It's a process, right? Where's your plant foot? Where do we need it? And then that's how we get it there."
You mentioned K Tyler Loop's leg strength. Do you think he could expand the coaches' range and what do you see for his range? (Ryan Mink) "I don't think it's about range for us. It's about just being consistent on kicking a straight ball. The one thing we do know [is] that the last two years – all of our kicks, PATs included – 80 percent were less than 40 yards. So, we want to make the 80 percent, and then those 20 percent where we're talking about range – those 40 plus balls – let's be good in the 80 percent. And then when we get to that 20 percent – that finish – we want consistency. That's what we're looking for. We're not really worried about the range and how far we can go. [Tyler Loop] has leg strength."
We learned yesterday from P Jordan Stout that you have TrackMan technology available to you. Is that something you have here, or is it just the stadium? What benefit does it offer your punters and kickers? (Jonas Shaffer) "It's something we have, [and] we're able to utilize in practice and in the stadium. We travel with it, but it's just another way of tracking the apex of the ball. How high is the ball when it's at the line of scrimmage. We believe that if the ball is at a certain height when the field goal team is rushing, then we can track all those things and say, 'OK, this is where we want to be. So, it allows for all those things to show up throughout the practice film and things like that. And by the way, happy birthday to both those guys, Tyler [Loop] and Jordan [Stout]. Today's their birthday."
OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR TODD MONKEN
What about those false starts? Are they doing OK and getting better? (Jamison Hensley) "I figured that was coming first. I called you guys soft." (laughter) "[It's] still a work in progress, man. That's what we're going to continue to do. As I told the guys, you can't be a nightmare to defend without being able to use multiple cadences, shifts, motions, formations, I mean, you just can't. So, we've got to fight to be elite there. We can't say that and then not fight to be elite at it. That's just the only way you're going to say it."
I know QB Lamar Jackson was excused today, but when you have a day like this, how valuable is it to get QB Cooper Rush to get reps with the first team? (Luke Jones) "That's great. No, you're right. It is valuable to get [Cooper Rush] out there and get with those guys. No, it's great. And 'Dev' [Devin Leary] gets reps with the 'twos,' so those guys can use some reps, for sure."
What has always stood out to you about QB Cooper Rush? (Childs Walker) "Well [Cooper Rush] just gets it. When I was in Tampa, we tried to get him there. But we were pretty loaded [at the] quarterback [position]. We thought we were going to get him, and you don't make it as long as you have without understanding, one, what's asked of you through your system and yet knowing your liabilities as a player. And I think he's maximized that. I mean, he knows where to go with the ball, knows when to get it out on time, knows when to protect himself [and] understands concepts. That's what makes him a true pro."
Where do you get the most value out of joint practices? (Brian Wacker) "Oh, it's just fun to do something different. I was talking to the guys, we went to the stadium yesterday, and it was the first time that I didn't get up in the morning and make a left, a right, and a left, grab a diet coke, come upstairs, make sure practice is OK. And the same routine next day, same day, same thing. It's like, 'OK, this is cool.' Other than getting on an 'old yellow dog' and taking it downtown to practice at the stadium, do something different, we get a new team coming in. I mean, it's really cool. I mean we get to [go] against other players, other schemes. It's shrunk down into one day, which is great. We get one day, [and we get to] play our guys. You don't see your veteran guys as much [in preseason], so it's as close as you're going to get to a game. Then we get the young guys ready to go play on Thursday night."
John said starters aren't going to play the preseason games. You only get so many of these practices, and joint practices. How valuable are the joint practices for starters and with it being the closest thing to a game, especially when it comes to getting off to a fast start on the season? (Brian Wacker) "Sure. No, we get an opportunity to go against other people, other skillsets, other concepts. When you go against another team, it feels like the first day. You come out the first day, [and] there's this enthusiasm, you're jacked, you're ready to go [on the] first day of camp, [it's the] 2025 Ravens. And then as you go against each other, you have your ups and downs, the ebb and flow of camp. We'll bring another team in, and here we go. It feels like the first day, it's time to compete, time to show where we're at, and I'm fired up. I love going against other teams. I think it's awesome to see where we're at and to go against some other players and other schemes."
Given all the weapons on offense, with the WR DeAndre Hopkins arrival, do you think you could go even more three-receiver sets than you did last year? (Garret Downing) "I don't know. We'll see. That remains to be seen. We're still early in the process. I like what I've seen so far from our guys. As I said in the spring, I see [DeAndre Hopkins] as a starter. I see us as having three starters [at wide receiver], but I also see Charlie Kolar as a starter. I see Isaiah Likely as a starter. I think we could go [with] two backs. I think we could have Derrick [Henry] out there and Justice [Hill], or Derrick [Henry] and Keaton [Mitchell]. I think that's pretty cool, [to have] that kind of versatility. So, I see all those guys as starters. But you're right, I think we could end up going that direction, but that remains to be seen as we play it out."
Is tomorrow kind of a litmus test of where the offense is at? (Alex Glaze) "That's a good way of seeing it. I think going against someone else [is a test]. It's only one day, so you don't want ... I don't know how much [you will be tell where we're at], but it is cool to go against some other teams. I mean you want to showcase where you're at, your players ... It's fun, like I said, to compete. You get to compete against another group of guys."
Do you have a team that's been this successful in the regular season, as you guys have been the last two seasons? Is it more important to do more of those joint practices? (Kyle Goon) "I don't know, you have to ask Coach [John Harbaugh] on that. I think every day is important. To say that one extra joint practice is going to lend itself ... Like you said, in terms of having a great regular season – which is what we're trying to do – I mean, then we've got to finish it off. You've got to have a great regular season to put yourself in position for the backend. So, I do think it's important. I do enjoy doing it. I do think it heightens the competition, which is what you want. I mean, if iron sharpens iron ... Now, we get to go against one of the best defenses in the league. So, we get that every day, but it'll be fun to go against some other people."
QB Lamar Jackson has improved as a passer, but I think it's kind of an oversight that he's still really dangerous as a runner as well. What conversations have you had with him about him maybe limiting his running a bit more or try to protect him, or have you ever had conversations with him about the amount of times he runs the ball or tries to scramble? (Jamison Hensley) "No. The only thing we've ever talked about as a staff, or collectively, is [Lamar Jackson] has to play the game once it's snapped. It's up to us [as coaches] to try to minimize the intended hits or the potential for hits. Once the ball's snapped, and we've called a play, or whatever the design is, [it] could be a run where it's QB driven, could be a pass where he scrambles; He goes and plays, and he wouldn't want it any other way. I mean he'll say that. I mean when the game's on the line, that dude wants it in his hands one way or the other. So, we're going to do that. But, that's really the biggest thing – it's just how do we minimize the risk. But once it's called, he doesn't want it any other way. I mean, [he thinks], 'Don't protect me, I'll protect myself.'"
DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR ZACH ORR
Is the haircut and clean shave a personal choice? (Alex Glaze) "Yes, it was a personal choice. I've had the beard in some way or form for last 10 years, and I was like, 'I have to cut it down. It's getting a little scruffy.' And then I said, 'You know what? How about I just cut it off?' I haven't seen my face in 10 years, so I feel like it makes me look younger. At least that's what I'm telling myself in my mind. So, I like it."
Is this a playoff beard situation where you're going to grow it back out? (Alex Glaze) "I don't know. That's a good [question]. I am a little superstitious when it comes to football, so we'll see. If we win, and I have [my face clean-] shaven, I'll probably keep it shaved. If we win, and I don't have it shaved, I probably won't shave it."
We were just talking to offensive coordinator Todd Monken about where he sees the most value from the joint practices. What about you? What do you think you get out of it the most? (Childs Walker) "I think it's good because it exposes you to a different scheme. Our guys have been going against each other, offense versus defense, since the spring time, [and] obviously our first couple weeks of [training] camp. So now you get to go against new personnel and new schemes, so now you can really get a chance to kind of see where you stack up and measure at, because when you're going against your own guys— we have great football players on both sides of the ball, and they're smart. So, you start picking up on tendencies, you know what move you can beat a guy on, on offense and defense. So now, you don't really know the opponent that you're going against. We're not game planning these guys or anything, [we'll] just come out here and practice. [We'll] run our defense, versus their offense and vice versa and really see where you stack up at."
You added some high-profile pieces to the secondary, with CB Jaire Alexander, who is a first-round pick, and S Malaki Starks and CB Chidobe Awuzie. Where do you feel like the secondary is at this point? (Garrett Downing) "I think [Jaire Alexander and Chidobe Awuzie] are in a really good spot. [They are] a really close group. We're able to move those guys around, and they're able to transition seamlessly, so it's good. I think you guys have been out here, and you've seen them make plays. [This] offense is not an easy offense to go against. It's not an easy cover, and we've made our fair share of plays. So, I think the secondary is in a good spot. I think if you ask any of those guys, [they'll say that] we're not where we need to be at. We're not where we want to be at. So, that's the goal – to keep [coming] out here [and keep] getting better, so when it's time to kick it off, we're ready to roll."
With all that talent in the secondary and their ability to cover, could that create more opportunities for you to have more freedom calling blitzes and try to bring pressure that way as well? (Garett Downing) "I think so. I think definitely. When you have DBs, [and] when all of them can cover like that, and they cover well, it opens up a lot for us up front. Whether it's bringing pressure, whether they're getting into four-man games, it allows us to do a lot of different things. It's not just man coverage, [it's also] zone coverage. Those guys are really versatile players, and really smart players. They have ball skills, so you want to switch it up. You don't want to just be a man [coverage] all the time as well."
To be even more specific on that question, S Kyle Hamilton was sort of a Swiss Army knife in 2023 and last year had a slightly different role as you guys were figuring out the secondary. Do you feel like this secondary gives you the flexibility for him to return to a point where you're not sure where he is going to be, you're not sure if he's going to rush or cover, you're not sure what he's going to do exactly? (Kyle Goon) "Yes, I think so. I think it allows us to do that. It could be in a different way – without saying too much – it could be in a different way, but I think it'll allow us to really maximize his skillset."
With tomorrow for the joint practice against the Indianapolis Colts, how much thought and conversation goes into just scheduling it with both teams? Do you have to speak with the Colts about what you want to see and what you want to get done and how you're going to map tomorrow out? (Morgan Adsit) "We work together on down and distances and what periods we want to do, whether we want to do short yardage, third down, red zone and situationally, what we want to do in two-minute [drills]. We work together on that. There's not really anything that we wouldn't do, or we telling them we don't want to see. So, we just want them to come in, and whatever they want to show us, we're down for it. Whatever we want to show them, they're down for it as well. So, it's been good talking with [Indianapolis Colts offensive coordinator] Jim Bob Cooter and setting up these practices."
How much value do you think there is in getting the Colts, who have a couple mobile quarterbacks in QB Daniel Jones and QB Anthony Richardson Sr. on the schedule for joint practice, considering who awaits you guys in Week One? (Jonas Shaffer) "I think it's good. I think it's really valuable. We go against the ultimate test [in Lamar Jackson] every single day. But, I think it's good for us because, like I said, the schemes are a little different. Those guys, they run differently than Lamar, they're not Lamar. So, I think it's good for us, and most of these quarterbacks in the league now, most of them are mobile now, but obviously, Daniel Jones and Anthony Richardson [Sr.], we have a lot of respect for them, especially when they get a full head of steam. Both of those guys can really run. So, we definitely have to, every week, make sure we keep the quarterback uncomfortable, keep him in the pocket and make him throw from the well."
It looks like DE Broderick Washington Jr. is having a nice camp. He's now at the top of the depth chart at defensive end. What have you seen from 'Broddy" out here in camp? (Ryan Mink) "Just being 'Broddy' [Broderick Washington Jr.]. I mean he comes here every single day and works. He's a guy that you really have to kick out of the building. It [will be an] off day, I'll come in here, and I think nobody's really here, I [won't] see [any] cars in the parking lot, I'll walk through the weight room [and] he's in the dark with a hoodie on, squatting, doing shrugs. That's just a testament to the person he is. And I think [defensive line coach] Dennis Johnson has done a great job with him, and Brody's done a great job of taking the different techniques and applying them. So, what Broddy has been doing? It's not a surprise. I thought he had a really good year last year, and he's just building upon that. We expect big things from him. He's one of our top players, one of our top, underrated players that nobody really talks about, but he does the dirty work. He's one of those type of guys who is a glass eater, who is going to do the things necessary for us to be able to make game-changing plays."
What's stood out to you about NT John Jenkins so far? (Luke Jones) "[John Jenkins] is the ultimate pro, man. Ultimate pro. He's great off the field. I think he brings that veteran leadership to the team, not only just the defensive line, but to the team. With him being around [and] helping the young guys out, I think that's really valuable and really underrated to have in your locker room. [We have] guys who've been around who go about their business the right way, and John's one of those guys. And he's a big body in there. He can play. He's getting to the ball, running to the ball, he's dominating blocks. You're not going to be able to block him one on one. You have to put two guys on him, and then when you do that, it's going to free up the [linebackers]. So, we've been really pleased with John. That's a 'home run' hit for us so far."
With DL Travis Jones, do you have a number of snaps you're targeting for him or is it more of a feel thing? (Childs Walker) "No, it's more of a field thing man. Travis [Jones] is in as good of shape as anybody. He's a big guy; he's a dominant player. We want him out there as much as possible. Now, obviously, within the game, I think D-line depth could be a strength for us this year. Like you just mentioned, John [Jenkins], 'Broddy' [Broderick Washington Jr.], those guys will do good things for us. So, you can kind space out the reps, but we want [Travis Jones] out there as much as possible."
How close is the competition between CB Chidobe Awuzie and CB Jaire Alexander? Do you have a timetable of when you'd like to make a decision? (Jonas Shaffer) "No, not really, man. It's funny, because both of those guys know they're going to play. They're going to play, they're going to be used. You're going to see those guys out there at the same time. So, I think that's a decision if Coach [Harbaugh] wants to make it, but I'm not really looking at it as a competition. They're guys that are going to play for us, so I'm not looking at it as 'ones' or 'twos.' We both know those guys are going to be out there for us when it's time to kick it and get rolling."
Does it seem like CB Jaire Alexander hasn't played since November? How has he been doing? (Giana Han)
"[Jaire Alexander] has been out here. Obviously, we didn't want to rush him back, but he's been out here every day besides the one day that he got his knee drained. But he brings energy, man, and he goes, he competes, and we need that. So, I can't tell that he hasn't played since November by just watching him. He has elite coverage skills and ball skills. He's been a great addition to our room, so obviously, we're being smart working him back, but he's been out here doing everything we've asked him to do. So, I've been pleased with him."
How much do you like bringing DL Brent Urban back into the mix? (Luke Jones) "'Urb' [Brent Urban]. I love it. It's just crazy how fast time has flown by, and just seeing 'Urb' from when we came in together to seeing where he's at now, he's an 'old head' now, like they say in the locker room. Honestly, I thought last year was one of his better years for us in recent memory, so I was excited when we had the opportunity to bring him back, and he wanted to come back. He's a great guy. We know what he can do for us, [and] what he does for us is really valuable. And he's another guy that we talked about with [head coach] John [Harbaugh]. He's a great guy in the locker room [and] in the meeting rooms to help bring just not the young guys, [but] the team along and push the team in the right direction."
What do you remember about your time fighting for a roster spot during training camp? (Morgan Adsit) "I told the guys, 'There are two games this week. It's on Tuesday and Thursday.' And I just told them, I said [that] no matter what – the thing that I remember, and the thing that I know now – where you're at in your career, you can be a perennial Pro Bowler [or] All-Pro, or you could be a guy fighting to make the roster, every single time you step onto that field, you're fighting for your career. You're getting evaluated, and you've got to think that way. You've got to take that approach every time you take the field. So, that's what I remember. 'So, this is your opportunity since you've been young. If God gives me an opportunity to go out here and make [it to the] National Football League, I'm going to do everything I can to do it. Well, now it's here. What are you going to do?' So, that's what I remember about it, and that's what we tell the guys, and we expect them to be ready because it's a good group."
FULLBACK PATRICK RICARD
On what the biggest difference is for the 2025 Training Camp in comparison to past years: "I think this year, the biggest thing about training camp is our schedule. Right now, we just finished practice, and vets are done for the day. So, I think it gives us more time for us to recover and have a little more time to ourselves instead of being here all day long. In the past when we finished practice, we would have meetings for a couple hours, and then we could go home. So, I think that's been the biggest difference and I think it's been beneficial. It gives us more time to recover, [and] more time to kind of hang out with one another. So not too much besides that, really."
On his take on the grading system for practice and how it can be helpful: "Yes, so they had the grading system for 'impactfuls,' just different criteria of what we do – offense, defense, and I think special teams might have it – of just things we can work on and things we can emphasize. Like for offense, ball security, making sure we're having the 'Raven Claw.' [Also, making sure] we catch the ball, we puncture, and there's a convoy one, so make sure we're all running to the ball. [It's] just things like that. Every day, coaches go through and they grade it. Then in our meeting rooms on the TVs, they have by your positions – running backs, quarterbacks – it has the list of the practice of the points and then your total for the training camp. And I don't want to brag, but I'm first right now for the tight end room." (laughter) "I think it's cool. I think it's cool to kind of keep yourself accountable [and] have a grading where everyone can see it. You can kind of just gauge if you're doing the right things that wins football games. So, I think it's cool. I think it's a good job for our coaches to do that."
On how valuable joint practices are, especially if veterans do not play in preseason matchups: "As a vet who may or may not play in games, I think the joint practices are important. I think it gives you game-like reps. You're going against somebody else. You can really hit them. You can really finish blocks, catches, tackling, but not maybe bring [them] to the ground. And it's fun, too. You're not just going against the same guys every day. You're going against different competition, and you may play that team in the regular season or playoffs. So, I think it's really important and also for young guys, too, to kind of get those reps [in] before they play in a game. I think that's also crucial for them. Those are also the same guys they're going to go against. So, I like doing it. I think it's cool. I'm happy we have one tomorrow."
On how veteran players avoid skirmishes against the opposing team in joint practice: "Yes, I think it's pretty hard. We're in training camp. Especially [there are] guys, and they're fighting for their jobs, their livelihoods and it's a big evaluation for us. We're going against another team who their scouts are looking at us and vice versa. Things kind of get chippy. You don't really know the guy, so tempers might flare. It might happen. I think the last time we had a joint practice against the Colts, we had a full-team brawl. Hopefully that doesn't happen again. It got a little crazy out there."
On if head coach John Harbaugh asks the team to do anything special to monitor it and break up joint-practice fights: "I mean [head coach John Harbaugh] hasn't really said anything to the team, but I know we have smart guys, and if a fight does break out, we'll take care of one another."
On what he remembers most about being undrafted and fighting for a roster spot in 2017: "I just kind of remember that just every day I had to give everything I had and [then] some. I was undrafted. I might not have had so many opportunities. And I think the biggest thing was just having no regrets of anything I did [with] either how I prepared, how I took care of my body, how I watched film and how I played. I was just trying to make a play every day. If there's something you can hang your hat on, it's just having no regrets. Just going out there and just knowing you left everything out there. If it was meant to be here then it is, if not, hopefully somewhere else."
On if he tweaked his offseason routine at this stage in his career: "Yes, I think it's just things you can kind of refine a little bit. [It is] just trying to eat cleaner and sleep better. I mean not a whole lot [of change]. I think what I've been doing so far has been working, so [I] just try to just maybe find an edge on a couple little things here and there and just see if it works and helps me or not."
On how much better the run game can be from the perspective of a blocker: "I think another year with the same offensive coordinator [Todd Monken], and another year with the same core group of guys, I think is only going to give us the opportunity to improve in the run game. I only see it getting better just because, like I said, it's almost everyone back [and with the] same OC. So, we just have to keep putting the work in, keep improving, keep working together and see what happens when the games are played."
On if he has noticed defenses softening in the second half while lead blocking for RB Derrick Henry: "It depends on the guy. If it's a DB or someone, they're definitely backing up a little bit. Or if it's a linebacker who's been in all game, and if we're up by a lot, they might kind of cower down a little bit. But I don't think so. I think they're still playing. They're still trying to win. It's a lot of fun whenever we have a lead, we're running the ball, and they know we're running the ball. Especially with Derrick [Henry], he's so big and fast that I have to make sure that I'm going to sprint and get my block, because if I don't, he's going to run me over. So, it's a challenge for myself, too."
On how long he thinks RB Derrick Henry will play for and if he has asked Henry that question: "Yes, I mean the way [Derrick Henry] takes care of his body, the way he loves the game and how hard he plays, if he wants, I think he can play however long he wants to play. I think it's really up to him. I hope he plays forever, because, hopefully, I get to play with him forever. I think he's one of the greatest backs ever. It's a privilege and [an] honor to play with him. So yes, he's a beast. I think it's really up to him."
